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#12876011 Nov 24, 2016 at 01:25 AM
Officer
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<Enrage>


Hello there everyone, I am very very sad to inform that Enrage is now nothing more than a social guild, as most are aware there will be launched a new nostralius server soon, and due to those news several members, core`s, officers and more have decided to re-roll there as Alliance.

This is very sad indeed as we have all built something truly great and one of a kind here on Kronos, and I do/hope everyone have enjoyed and had fun raiding under the banner of <Enrage> for the time we did. For me personally it only makes it worse when I think about how good we were doing and how many great people we had stacked up over our running time. This forum will be kept alive for as long as people want, so we can keep in touch.

I will say that I myself am frustrated that this happens and I understand if you feel the same. But, please. Be civil and nice to those whom decide to go Nostralius, everyone has their own reasons for doing what they do, and I will say that this is a game for entertainment, and evethough people a great time filled with fun and enjoyment, so people will have even more so on another sever. I hope you don`t take that personal.

I myself will start levying on Nostralius, for when I lose a lot of the people I love playing with I will rather follow them and keep playing with them. I do however still want to play on Kronos so for myself I will do that at the same time.

So pelase, please, be nice to each other and keep in touch rather than let this spoil friendships that have been built over many months, non of us really wants that.

If you are now at a point where you are struggling finding a guild, or mabye unsure what guild might fit you, you may ask me and I`ll do what I can to help you find a new home.

For those that are interested in joining up on Nostralius, you may check out the forums here.

If you have questions or just want to chat, do not hastitate to give me or the others a PM, even tho we might all be a bit split up on servers, guilds and what not, we can still keep in touch and play somewhat together still.


/Klif
/I love Kico
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#12876129 Nov 24, 2016 at 02:57 AM
Core
9 Posts
Well, what shall I say. I really liked raiding, no, I still really like raiding with you, and Vanilla WoW for me was always for the social aspect.

I guess we all know that Kronos isn't perfect, there were some lag issues a while ago and if we are honest, Kronos had always problems with lack of players. It has always been a pretty empty server.

But switching again to Nost, is just meh, I don't know.
Yes, I would really like to play on a crowded server, but is Nost gonna be crowded again as it was? Why are they opening again a server when they have closed down their first servers that quickly. Don't know if it is certain to start on Nost.
Back then when we have switched to Rebirth for some weeks as Kronos was unstable, we went back to Kronos, and it was great. Kronos is pretty certain for a private server in my opinion. I understand that Elysium looks fancy and shiny and new, but starting again after all we have archieved here?

But the most important thing for me is us, as a guild. I don't know how many people would like to change to Elysium, but I guess many of us would prefer staying on Kronos, me included. Of course we can create a new guild on Elysium but how many core players are we gonna loose? With every switch we loose so many people, there aren't many people of the old Enrage guild left, before Zehn joined us back then as raid leader and later as guild leader.

Nothing against you Zehn and the officer team you brought to us. You did pretty fine and we made great progress because of you and your team. We would never have archieved that much without you, but for me is the social aspect the most important thing in this game. Don't really care for progress and items, I just like playing with you and having a nice evening. Loosing people by switching, meh, sucks 😑. Loosing players is chaning a guild, and meh I like this guild, don't wanna have a change ;D.

I would prefer if we make a survey about people are thinking about switching, and especially what they are thinking if a majority wants to switch or stay here, if they prefer staying or switching then, too, to keep the guild together. Keeping in touch, if some are switching and some don't won't happen, I guess, because just you know, it never worked. Are you still in touch with some people from the times back then raiding in BC or Wrath, well guess not..

For me, I would prefer staying on Kronos, don't really have the time to start over again, barely can make it to the raids at this moment. But I would follow the majority. If the majority prefers to switch, well then I would switch, too, rip time.

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#12876709 Nov 24, 2016 at 12:47 PM
Raider
10 Posts
I was in the guild for just a few weeks but still I had an awesome time with you guys and now when I saw the raid in Agony, I must say that Enrage was the most well organized guild I have ever seen. Synnapse is the best officer in the whole world and Zehn's raid leading skills are superb.

Nevertheless, I must say that I was totally blown away by the announcement. I know Kronos is pretty empty and it will only get worse but it still is well-scripted server in which many of us have put many many days of gametime. Some of you have a lot of time to play so it is no big deal for you to just reroll, lvl up to 60, get a pre raid bis and start farming MC while doing a ton of PvP but for many of us actually like to just raidlog, farm a bit and maybe do some 5 or 20 man and just enjoy hanging out with a guild for a bit it is a big deal to start over.

I also think that Nostalrius/Elysium will be great (except chinese problem with everything what comes with them - goldselling, no nodes, empty bg messages, lag, ...) but I still dont understand why would you just quit Kronos for it. If you are willing to reroll on fresh server you must have a lot of spare time which means you could easily just raidlog on Kronos and level up on Elysium on offdays. That is what I would expect from guild master and officers if you want to play elsewhere.

Zehn said that "it is time for him to do what he wants to do" but I think that is where he is wrong. If you lead a serious guild with many dedicated players I believe you should put guild's interest before your own when it comes to just gaming desires. Leaving the guild for more population, pvp and your brother when we were doing so well is just pathetic and I must say I lost a lot of admiration had for you Zehn. I believe that if you would have stayed the other officers who were "not honest in the poll" would stay too and we would be just fine. I think that you wanted to go Elysium and just turned them on your side rather that they were not honest. So while you might enjoy playing with you brother you also make 30+ other people to search for new guild when other top guilds are almost full and probably make many of them (people who put a lot of dedication to your guild) just give up and quit. Sadly, I think is saying something about you as a person.

In the end, it is just a game I know. But Vanilla is all about community and I am kinda tired of guild masters and officers (not you Synnapse and Briax I love you guys :D <3 ) not giving shit and just doing what they wanna do rather than doing what is right for the guild.

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#12876758 Nov 24, 2016 at 01:16 PM · Edited 6 years ago
Officer
49 Posts
Some of you might not know me, however many of you do - so i thought i would raise a few of my opinions.

I understand some people might be frustrated , but keep in mind as you mention Kelom it is a game (even tho i understand some of your arguments).

If ppl are not enjoying it anymore on Kronos for whatever reason OR simply believe they will have more fun somewhere else - you cant really hold it against them. In the end of the day none of us makes a living by playing this game and therefor nobody should feel pressured to do so.

In my opinion, it is not Zehn's responsibility to keep 39 people happy and make sure they have the gaming experience they want AND in-game enviroment to suit YOUR specific needs! - even tho i know for a FACT thru playing with him for 3+ years that he is actually working SO hard to actually do JUST that WHILE still creating high-end guilds clearing all released content.

We have spent countless of hours discussing me and Zehn and rather often we do not see eye to eye - but blaming Zehn for not trying to set the guild before himself OR trying to keep everyone happy (and for that he knows i want to punch him in the throat sometimes #DDtriggered) - is out of line. I think that he should rather be commended for his effort in creating a guild that everyone enjoys playing in while still killing stuff and getting gear for everyone.

Im not trying to speak on Zehn's behalf - im pretty damm sure he can do that himself - however wrong is wrong!

Im sure many of you do not agree with the current situation, but please do not make it personal as klif mention.

// DD // Mofo

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#12876841 Nov 24, 2016 at 02:17 PM
Officer
186 Posts
I will try to answer you all short here and now, and later tonight or tomorrow I promise to give a more lengthy answer.

I just want to emphasis that people are not leaving due to not enjoying raiding or doing things with the guild members, one of the reasons many enjoy vanilla wow over the other expansions is just as been stated here several times, the social aspect. Yes, guild is a big part of that. But, so is the world, doing pvp like AB/WSG/AV on off weekends, more lively world pvp, a lot more people around for dungeons, raids and such on our off days from raid.

To Valgrimm and Kelom, we really did want to and intend to keep raiding AT LEAST until the new Nost server was live or even longer. But, it would have been really, really unfair to keep raiding with out informing the general guild about a decision that several people have made due to the news about the new server. And in light of several hours of officer meetings, I kinda forced Zehn`s hand, and that is on me, I told him, like I did others that I need an answer now on what they wanted to do, the reason I forced this is because for me I was not gonna spend 10-15h a week making sure with the other officers that the guild was as perfect in anyway, and to do that we would have had to recruit a few more members which would have been severely unfair towards them. We had since Thursday sat and try and find ways to what question guild members would have, to how we could keep raiding, to how we could help our members find new homes, how we could keep in touch and more.

We decided to finish the raid week and then have a guild meeting, and so we did. In light of this many were really upset, which I along with the rest can understand. But, one thing became clear and we had each CL and officer talk to his class/raid grip and figure out what their stance is on subjects such as keep raiding under the <Enrage> banner and what the general guild wanted. By the end of that night we saw that we would be 10-15 members short for any upcoming raids, and since recruitment was off the table we were left with nothing els but to cease all raiding.

Yes to you Kelom, if Zehn had not decided to go Nost we would have had a lot easier time keeping the guild up and going, he was our GM, Raid leader and Tank. BUT, as mofo said it is not his task to make sure everyone has their vanilla experience, and the choice for the rest of the members to go is their own, and Zehn can not be blamed for other peoples choice to follow him or quit or switch guild. I think the fact that so many want to follow him is due to the community we have made within our guild here on Kronos.

And as Valgrimm has fronted, not to many of the old Enrage members are left, but the ones we have gathered over the last 3-5 months have surly become a real and enjoy full part of the guild.

I`m sorry but I do not have time to answer any more questions or more in-depth at this time, but I will come back to it.


/Klif
/Klif
/I love Kico
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#12876977 Nov 24, 2016 at 03:40 PM · Edited 6 years ago
Raider
10 Posts
I admit that my frustration is that much higher because of what happened in Arcanum.

My point is, rather than throwing dirt at Zehn, that guild master (even more so if he is also raid leader and tank) has a very important role in vanilla and therefore I would expect that the person who takes this role upon himself sticks with the whole the team, the guild, rather than own desires. So if there is a poll about if we stay or switch and majority wants to stay then you suck it up and stay.

Just because you do something "for free" doesnt mean that you cannot be blamed. It is like if Kronos staff said: "Well guys since Nost will be back and many of you will leave, we are no longer going to develop the server since we cba to spend hundreds of hours just so few guilds can try out Naxx. But since you dont pay any subscriptions you cannot blame us for anything. Bye bye. PS: We will work on Ares come there once it is released."

So if you dont wanna be forced to do these kind of decisions, well, then dont be a guild master. Even tho this is just a game it has a strong social aspect and if you decide to be an authority then you should understand its full consequences. (be a game master of a private server, not an admin).

Sadly, since it is still pretty anonymous game it is easier just to say bye bye and do whatever you like and let others cope with the situation.

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#12877117 Nov 24, 2016 at 04:54 PM
Officer
49 Posts
@Kelom

I definetly do not agree with you :) However this is a personal subject for many and there for also many different opinions.

Your opinions is valued, even tho i dont agree.

Have a nice evening

//Mofo //DD
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#12878484 Nov 25, 2016 at 08:14 AM
Core
13 Posts
first of all, i agree with kelom. sums it up pretty well.

no need for the glorious speech and acting like you guys are frustrated this has happened(in the opening post). imo this move was disrespectful and a big slap in the face for most of the members as it seems like you have planned this for quite some time now.

why even make a poll if you don't give a fk about the outcome?
it feels like as soon as the nost announcement came out you jumped on the hype train and made your decision regardless of what the rest of the guild thinks about it.

i mean ok, 1-2 old friends want to start at the new project and so you also want to do that. everything fine. you could have tried it out, leveled your chars and still continued raiding with enrage in the meantime. furthermore this would have given the guild a chance to restructure and maybe survive. instead you chose to kill the guild overnight. i just don't understand how you can throw away everything you've achieved on kronos like it's nothing, for a server that no one can be sure if it will succeed. (out of interest, what will you do if it fails?)
but well, we have to accept it. it's your wish and if it's the best for yourselves, so be it.

i for myself can't be bothered to start from scratch and farm MC/BWL for another 1,5years. i really don't want to spend so much time for this game again as i've invested a lot in my char on kronos.

apart from your recent move, which was a big disappointment for myself, i had a great time with this guild. i will stop raiding for now but still login occasionally and do some pvp or other stuff. feel free to hit me up if you want.

don't get me wrong, not meant to be bitter feelings, but that's what i think about your decision as an officer team(obv not all of u share this stance) and how it unfolded.
good luck and have fun on elysium. have a nice time!
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#12878560 Nov 25, 2016 at 09:51 AM · Edited 6 years ago
Class Leader
41 Posts
Its okay im Done with wow for now..
Will start on Ares with rusk and ashani once it hits.. PM me if you wanna tag along
Walie almost as good as Kico
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#12878597 Nov 25, 2016 at 10:24 AM · Edited 6 years ago
Raider
2 Posts
First of all,I wanna say thank you for 2 nice raiding months and for all the gear you doused me.Joined this guild as a shitgeared scrub,a retail lock long away from any raiding.Now Im an experienced end game gear lock that can find his own way in the game ,easily.


But I must say is that I agree 100% with Kelom and Telur.ALL I heard in that Ony raid was that:

"Hey my name's Zehn and I got one of the best guilds in server.I also got THUNDERFURY last week,after ELEVEN YEARS.But now fuck all and Imma roll lvl 1 with mah bro ,katkiss and few others on new server olol".


I mean..come on.Seriously.I thought it was some kind of joke to test ppl's faith or smth.You could just raid 1 month more with us to show something for the blade lol.And you know what,you go somewhere where future is uncertain,you dont even know if its gonna be a succesfull server.THAT,to my eyes and ears is fucking unreal.All other things I wanna say have resummed perfectly by Telur and Kelom and I wont repeat.



Other than that,I must say that Zehn was the best Raid leader I ever followed.Congratulations sir,you rock at that aspect.Also big ups and thanks to guild warlocks (yeah even you CasterNUB <3) for trying to make my slacky ass better and better.Klift is one of the best players I ever seen ingame.And generally ALL GUILD are SKILLED and GOOD lads.Which is why is SO SAD that it disbands,out of visually nothing.

No hard feelings tho towards anyone,for real.I only have gratitude for this guild.I will just hang around even if its social,to do some pvp and farming,dont think I will join any other guild soon and most definitely Im not rerolling lol.I only WISH I could say something that made you ppl change your mind.. And keep this FANTASTIC guild up :(



Ah well.Nuff with this ;p /love to EVERYONE.And I hope we meet and raid somehow again,hear zehn again say "log it in,log it in,log it in"... :D


Edit: I dont get how rerolling is more appealing than raiding Naxx with this guild.. I just DONT get it.. O.o



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#12879007 Nov 25, 2016 at 04:13 PM
Raider
16 Posts
the thing i only can say is "hehe....."
Im a noob
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#12879024 Nov 25, 2016 at 04:24 PM
Officer
186 Posts
Ok I think I need to clarify a few things here for the ppl that did NOT pay attention that Monday, nor can read my post fully.

I mean no matter what we do it is something wrong for someone. I will say this once more and only once in hope that it gets through.

What we as an officer team decided was to INFORM the guild that we have several ppl all from raiders -> GM that wishes to start on nost, NO WHERE IN THERE were it said that ppl don`t wanna continue raiding, as fact that was said that everyone of the officer team and the once we knew were gonna re-roll nost wanted to continue to raid up till nost release and most even longer.

Now lets be honest, we had two options once ppl had made up their mind that re-rolling was for them.

Options:

  1. Inform the guild that this was what`s gonna happen, say that unless someone wanna step up as GM, raid leader or guild leadership Enrage would come to an end. IT WAS ALSO SAID THAT THEY, WE, ALL wanted to continue raiding.
  2. We could raid on as usual, and let what would happen happen.


Now lets look in to this. We did a poll on the forums and most of the officer team was happy as the poll showed that we would lose just a minimum amount of ppl. Yet, as we as officers, CL´s and members talk with each other, and once most CL`s had gotten a response from their class it seamed like the poll was not representative AT ALL. 2-3 days before before the last raid we strong-armed every member of the officer team to give us an answer to what they wanted. At that point it seemed like the only option for the guild to see Naxx was if someone stepped up and took over the banner. No one did nor wanted.

So for the announcement we decided to have on Mondays raid after Onyxia was to inform the guild, and the immediate reaction was frustration from a lot of ppl my self included. What we did as an officer team then was to get feedback from ALL CL´s what players would like to continue raiding at least until server release or longer. What we stood left with was around 20-25 players, I mean recruitment is off the table since NO ONE wanted to take over or step up. And if you want to raid with 20-25 ppl I am fine with it, I will come.

I hope that cleared up that part at least.

Now, yes it sucks that Enrage came to this. Please believe me that I did not want this at all, I love this guild and I think few of you can really imagine how many fucking hours I have spent trying to improve this guild. A lot of you have had really really long conversations with me regarding tactics, gear, talents or other improvements now multiply it with around 75% of our guild stock. BUT, ppl enjoy different aspects of this game and we kinda have to respect it. I mean what if a few decided to quit as many have done before, we would not give such a hate to them then, but yes I agree we could have done it differently, information and all. But in my opinion it is MORE fair to each and everyone to be informed rather than not.

now changing the subject a little.


Valgrimm you said that how can we stay in touch? Well, we have a Facebook group, we have two forums, we have a TS, and most of us will still play Kronos. I for one for the first time in forever have a guild with ZERO ppl I dislike, rather I like em all, so for me keeping in touch and playing together every now and then would be preferreable over the alternative. I really enjoy playing with you all.

In this post I speak mostly for my self, but I do believe a lot of other players in our guild and the officer team shares my stand point.

The absolute best would ofc be that we could all keep raiding here and continue the greatness of Enrage, but, that is not the case as it was.
/Klif
/I love Kico
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#12879044 Nov 25, 2016 at 04:38 PM
Officer
186 Posts
If you guys have any suggestions as to what I can do please say so.

I have done what I can and can still do more, I have already helped several members find a new home, and a good home. And I continue to say that ask me for help and I will do what I can.
/Klif
/I love Kico
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#12879141 Nov 25, 2016 at 05:40 PM
Raider
10 Posts
#12879024 Synapse wrote:


Now lets be honest, we had two options once ppl had made up their mind that re-rolling was for them.


I agree that both these options suck balls. And that is probably the core of the issue here. What I would have expected (I am gonna repeat myself a bit here) is that you announce that you will ALSO be trying out Elysium but not completely rerolling. I am positive that Naxxramas will be here in few months and if Elysium releases in January it will still be in MC timeline only so I dont see how you could not play both servers if you have time to reroll.

#12879024 Synapse wrote:


Now lets look in to this. We did a poll on the forums and most of the officer team was happy as the poll showed that we would lose just a minimum amount of ppl. Yet, as we as officers, CL´s and members talk with each other, and once most CL`s had gotten a response from their class it seamed like the poll was not representative AT ALL.


I just dont believe this. How pathetic do you have to be if you dont vote honestly when there is an anonymous vote... like seriously.. :D give me names of these bastards!! :D

#12879024 Synapse wrote:


So for the announcement we decided to have on Mondays raid after Onyxia was to inform the guild, and the immediate reaction was frustration from a lot of ppl my self included. What we did as an officer team then was to get feedback from ALL CL´s what players would like to continue raiding at least until server release or longer. What we stood left with was around 20-25 players, I mean recruitment is off the table since NO ONE wanted to take over or step up. And if you want to raid with 20-25 ppl I am fine with it, I will come.


If you expected that people would just continue raiding with their full effort then you were really naive. Many of us are here too see that god damn Naxx after investing so much into our toons and if you destroy the future of the guild like this I dont think you can expect ppl to stay and perform 100% (which would be the only situation when continuing would make sense)


#12879024 Synapse wrote:


Now, yes it sucks that Enrage came to this. Please believe me that I did not want this at all, I love this guild and I think few of you can really imagine how many fucking hours I have spent trying to improve this guild. A lot of you have had really really long conversations with me regarding tactics, gear, talents or other improvements now multiply it with around 75% of our guild stock. BUT, ppl enjoy different aspects of this game and we kinda have to respect it. I mean what if a few decided to quit as many have done before, we would not give such a hate to them then, but yes I agree we could have done it differently, information and all. But in my opinion it is MORE fair to each and everyone to be informed rather than not.


Another core problem. As Telur and Ktinodia said - why for the love of god would you throw all this work away. Just why? I remember that Zehn a little while ago hit 100 days played. He just got TF and we all were so happy for him. Only to be majorly dissapointed just a week after.

#12879024 Synapse wrote:


I for one for the first time in forever have a guild with ZERO ppl I dislike, rather I like em all, so for me keeping in touch and playing together every now and then would be preferreable over the alternative.
The absolute best would ofc be that we could all keep raiding here and continue the greatness of Enrage, but, that is not the case as it was.


I agree so much! Please, lets not throw this! It is not too late yet... :( We will forgive you Zehn if you come back! :D
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#12879341 Nov 25, 2016 at 07:31 PM · Edited 6 years ago
Raider
8 Posts
Bleh... already have a bad taste in my mouth and i didnt even start typing.....


Whats here to say? Well id like to adress the frustration some people and especially Kelom are expessing here. I not only understand it, but i fully share it.

When i started on Kronos, my first private server, i came here with firm asumption that i would never find a guild so dedicated, well organized, with perfect CL and RL as i had in vanilla.
And i was right for the majority of my time here on kronos, but only after first week in Enrage i realized ... boy was i wrong.... i had the oportunity to raid with you guys for just a month, but in that month i learned and experienced more than in other guilds in a year. I simply have a feeling that i was part of something special here.


All that adds up, but the point some people dont understand here is that me and Kelom joined your guild after some really tought times. When Arcanum disbanded we thought for weeks what to do, quit? Roll alliance? Other horde guild?.... So we came to Enrage with a promise of a stable and hardcore guild that is aiming for naxx and wont stop for nothing. You can propably imagine that hearing all that in onyx lair mere week after we got our raider status and became full members of your guild, was kinda surreal.
Please try to keep this in mind when youre judging Keloms words, you say its not fair to recruit more people, well we were basicly fresh recruits as well.

Im not looking for an apology here and i definetly dont want to persuade you guys to stay. The decision is made, the ship has sailed.

When i think of Zehns decision racionally i know that i have no right to hold it againts him or be mad, but i still am, i cant help it.

God i hate the "its only game" expression, hated it when i was 15 and i sure as hell hate it now. Well sure, its a game, but is it? Is playing with 40 other people really the same as call of duty?
I agree with Kelom that when you start a guild and choose to influence a game experience of so many people you also take some kind of responsibility.
Its not only bound to raid leaders, we all have some kind of it, how many times you just wanted to jerk off and go to sleep in stead of farming consumables for next raid? But you didnt because all your classmates have em and you didnt want to drag em down.


So yea i see the decision to leave this guild to die as a selfish one, i dont hold it agains you Zehn(if you even give enough shit to read this, seems synnapse is fighing your battles here), i just dont understand it and i dont think i ever will.

I really hope you find what youre looking for on Elyssium, whatever it is. Thank you all so much for the short oportunity of raiding with you guys, its been a pleasure!

I cant continue to raid with you anymore, i hope you understand. I would never be able to perform 100% without a goal, knowing that when Elyssium releases were done.


Id also like to join others in thanking Synnapse for everything, its really amazing how much you do for the guild and the people in it. I learned a lot from you in that short time, i would never think there are things i still dont know about this game, thank you for proving me wrong! I hope to see you around at least from time to time!


TLDR; have a good one everybody!Its only a game right? ^^

-species-


edit- "Hey my name's Zehn and I got one of the best guilds in server.I also got THUNDERFURY last week,after ELEVEN YEARS.But now fuck all and Imma roll lvl 1 with mah bro ,katkiss and few others on new server olol".
^
This is pure gold Ktino :D
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#12879406 Nov 25, 2016 at 08:04 PM
Class Leader
43 Posts
Dissapointed... so dissapointed, and sad.

Im just sitting here.. in my spare time, reading this post, and I do agree with basicly everything you say. And that goes for all the raiders and synnapse.

Im speechless. Spechless because of all the emotions Im left with..
And Im thinking to myself.. was it wrong of me to not take responsibility, and carry on. Though I have so much going on in irl that I really dont have more spare energy to spend other than what I've done the past months.

It feels like Im sinking into the floor.. some of you might know the feeling.

R.I.P
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#12879893 Nov 26, 2016 at 01:04 AM · Edited 6 years ago
The Cunt (GM)
52 Posts
Aight.

Lets get this party started.

1.

Statement from Species:
Zehn(if you even give enough shit to read this, seems synnapse is fighing your battles here)

Answer:
Don't sit and think I let Synapse do my battles for me. I am very well capable myself to do them. Fact of the matter is that I work evening shift 3 days a week, 12 hour shifts, which is why I am never online during weekdays. So when I get home, I go straight on the forum to read I am getting some serious hate for this. So I've waited with this answer till I had proper time to write a coherent answer that didn't leave a stone unturned.

2.

Statement from Kelom:
Some of you have a lot of time to play so it is no big deal for you to just reroll, lvl up to 60, get a pre raid bis and start farming MC while doing a ton of PvP but for many of us actually like to just raidlog, farm a bit and maybe do some 5 or 20 man and just enjoy hanging out with a guild for a bit it is a big deal to start over.


Answer:
Time is a huge factor, you yourself says that some are very content with a bit of raid logging and then take it from there. Other people, myself incl, use every second that I am not at work/Sleeping in this game. Its my time drain, its what I wanna do at all hours of the day if I could! Now I understand your frustration, But I do not share it, as for me, I look forward to coming home from work, and go play some AB, if that is what I feel like. (mind you, that is 0145 AM(!) or go raid 2 UBRS, or join a ZG pug at 0200 AM because I can fit one extra in before the weekend resets. Start looking into Ranking, pvping, which for me is a huge aspect of game for me.

So to end this answer: Yes, Time is a factor. But for me, Naxx is not the endgame.
PLAYING THE GAME, Is my endgame.

3.

Question from Kelom:
but I still dont understand why would you just quit Kronos for it. If you are willing to reroll on fresh server you must have a lot of spare time which means you could easily just raidlog on Kronos and level up on Elysium on offdays. That is what I would expect from guild master and officers if you want to play elsewhere.


Answer:
Someone wasnt listening on Monday.

This is what I and EVERY SINGLE officer offered after onyxia last monday, like .. LITTERALY!

IIRC, My exact wording was that: We will continue here as long as we can, We understand if people wanna leave, but we will keep the guild running as much as we can till people figure out what they want, be it leave, search for new guild, quit Classic WoW or come to the new server.

Your question here is baseless and a disrespect for the guys who are spending hours! trying to make this a great home. and all you heard was "Eh, quitting, FU" which simply just isnt true.

4.

Statement from Kelom:

Zehn said that "it is time for him to do what he wants to do" but I think that is where he is wrong. If you lead a serious guild with many dedicated players I believe you should put guild's interest before your own when it comes to just gaming desires. Leaving the guild for more population, pvp and your brother when we were doing so well is just pathetic and I must say I lost a lot of admiration had for you Zehn. I believe that if you would have stayed the other officers who were "not honest in the poll" would stay too and we would be just fine. I think that you wanted to go Elysium and just turned them on your side rather that they were not honest. So while you might enjoy playing with you brother you also make 30+ other people to search for new guild when other top guilds are almost full and probably make many of them (people who put a lot of dedication to your guild) just give up and quit. Sadly, I think is saying something about you as a person.


Answer:
In the statement before, you added that you enjoy raid logging. How can you turn that statement around and then demand to control my playtime?

In the "turning the officers to me" department. I didn't force anyone. ANY off all the officer will tell you that in no way did I EVER say "you should come with me" - The line I've used has, and will always be, "Its up to the player himself to do what he wants!"

On the part of forcing 30+ people to search for a new home, I will again add that All officers, myself incl, offered to help any and all that were willing to step up. and we would play till Elysium hit. (which doesn't even have a release date yet) but no one did.

How can you sit and demand my playtime, when you aren't willing to give up your own?

5.

Statement from Kelom:

My point is, rather than throwing dirt at Zehn, that guild master (even more so if he is also raid leader and tank) has a very important role in vanilla and therefore I would expect that the person who takes this role upon himself sticks with the whole the team, the guild, rather than own desires. So if there is a poll about if we stay or switch and majority wants to stay then you suck it up and stay.


Answer:

I went pretty in depth with this one above. I will add again, that if you dont think Ive sacrificed for this guild... Then I really dont have alot more to add.

Ive stayed through alot, but I have the chance to start on a server where the is a small chance of getting all the main points I trully enjoy about this game can happen. If you cant afford me that. then IMO, that says more about you as a person, then about me.

6.

Statement from Kelom:

Just because you do something "for free" doesnt mean that you cannot be blamed. It is like if Kronos staff said: "Well guys since Nost will be back and many of you will leave, we are no longer going to develop the server since we cba to spend hundreds of hours just so few guilds can try out Naxx. But since you dont pay any subscriptions you cannot blame us for anything. Bye bye. PS: We will work on Ares come there once it is released."


Answer:

I am not turning this into a mud throw, that wont serve any good.

But if you for one sec, believe that all that cash from the stars transactions are only going to server upkeep, then ... your really freaking Naive.

7.

Statement from Telur:

no need for the glorious speech and acting like you guys are frustrated this has happened(in the opening post). imo this move was disrespectful and a big slap in the face for most of the members as it seems like you have planned this for quite some time now.


Answer:

You think its a decision I came to lightly?
You think I just thought "fuck these guys", the same sec I heard the news?

Briax will most likely never speak to me again.
Klift is Uber pissed since he spent an ENORMOUS EFFORT making this guild an absolute top contender on this server.

Both of them understand that it has nothing to do with them. Its a personal preference for me.

If you think it was disrespectful, Sorry It was never meant to be that.

Would it have been better to keep everyone in the dark, so that 2 months from naxx, on Elysium release day, the TS had a PW and then a post was just made with "goodbye suckers", would that have been more respectful?!?!

I informed people so we can move on, not to piss on you guys, Klift is working his ass off to find new homes for people.

THERE IS NO DISRESPECT HERE!

8.

Question from Telur:

i mean ok, 1-2 old friends want to start at the new project and so you also want to do that. everything fine. you could have tried it out, leveled your chars and still continued raiding with enrage in the meantime. furthermore this would have given the guild a chance to restructure and maybe survive. instead you chose to kill the guild overnight. i just don't understand how you can throw away everything you've achieved on kronos like it's nothing, for a server that no one can be sure if it will succeed.


Answer:

Again, Someone didn't listen.

This is what we offered, Monday after Ony, To keep playing and going. and for someone to work on the courage to take over. No one, said a beep. Incl you.

9.

Question from Telur:

(out of interest, what will you do if it fails?)


Answer:

I would have to start somewhere new, or go back to my orc warrior.. Most likely start on a new server, Since I heavily prefer Alliance.

10.

Statement from Kelom:

I agree that both these options suck balls. And that is probably the core of the issue here. What I would have expected (I am gonna repeat myself a bit here) is that you announce that you will ALSO be trying out Elysium but not completely rerolling. I am positive that Naxxramas will be here in few months and if Elysium releases in January it will still be in MC timeline only so I dont see how you could not play both servers if you have time to reroll.


Answer:

Then I will also repeat myself. This is what we offered.


My eyes are bleeding atm from this wall of text, any more answers you guys want, post them here. and ill reply.

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#12880162 Nov 26, 2016 at 05:14 AM · Edited 6 years ago
Raider
10 Posts
Nice to see you joining in Zehn. Thank you for all your answers and comments.


Someone wasnt listening on Monday.

I admit that I do not remember exact words you said since I was so taken aback that I had to pinch myself to check if I am dreaming or not. I also did not say anything since I was just trying to process all that and rather wait for forum post to have it black on white.

Tho you give me quite a different answers to my very similar points. What you answer me in the point 10 is not true. If it was true then it would all this not be a big deal at all. If you would simply roll on new server and play there on off days while also being dedicated here on Kronos no one would mind. I am pretty sure other also play some other games on their offdays.

What I understood from the Monday is that you and some officers are going and its is just a matter of when. I also got a link to your new webpage from Synnapse on Monday and there were already set raiding times - to exact same days and time we had here. So while I very much admire your raid leading skills, I doubt that even you can lead two raids at the same time. That also confirmes that after some three to four weeks after Elysium launches until you will be gone for good.

So what you offered us is just raiding until you can start raiding on Elysium. (That is also what you say later) And my points were rather about you staying dedicated here and having fun on Elysium on offdays.



In the statement before, you added that you enjoy raid logging. How can you turn that statement around and then demand to control my playtime?

I am not sure if I understood this passage correctly. As I said, I assume that you guys that are rerolling that you have the time to play quite a lot. So what I would expect from I beloved raid leader and guild master that he would not turn his back to many on his faithful raiders and friends.


In the "turning the officers to me" department. I didn't force anyone. ANY off all the officer will tell you that in no way did I EVER say "you should come with me" - The line I've used has, and will always be, "Its up to the player himself to do what he wants!"

Of course I didn't mean that literally. My point was that many officers are so much faithful to you that they will go wherever you go so just solely your decision to go made them go or at least uncertain about what they wanna do. If you would have decided to stay, these people would stay too. That is what I meant.


How can you sit and demand my playtime, when you aren't willing to give up your own?

Again, not sure what you mean by this but I myself have given my best at every raid and would have continued to do so if our future wasn't so limited.


Ive stayed through alot, but I have the chance to start on a server where the is a small chance of getting all the main points I trully enjoy about this game can happen. If you cant afford me that. then IMO, that says more about you as a person, then about me.

As I mentioned earlier, it is about the position you have. You can already see that many have decided to quit or take breaks. Other have found or are searching for new homes (with the help from Synnapse which we of course appreciate <3) but I believe everyone would rather be in Enrage. That is what makes it hard to be happy for you getting to have your kind WoW server when it hurts the experience of so many others.

I am not turning this into a mud throw, that wont serve any good.

But if you for one sec, believe that all that cash from the stars transactions are only going to server upkeep, then ... your really freaking Naive.

Of course I don't. But no one is required to do so (I myself have never spent a cent on Twinstar). I am pretty sure that they made some nice money after Nost shutdown. However, with current number of players I dont think they are making a lot of money. So my point was to demonstrate that when you have a big influence over a community, you should do what is best for it.
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#12880388 Nov 26, 2016 at 10:55 AM
Class Leader
41 Posts
Wow So Much Anger... That leads to the Darkside..
Walie almost as good as Kico
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#12880415 Nov 26, 2016 at 11:17 AM · Edited 6 years ago
Raider
8 Posts
#12879893 Zehn wrote:


You think its a decision I came to lightly?
You think I just thought "fuck these guys", the same sec I heard the news?


Yes.... quite literally tbh.

With the information i have its not only my "goto" explanation for this its the only way i can even begin to comprehend why you do this.

I think you were just so miserable here that when the nost announcement came it was no brainer for you.


Again, what you guys dont seem to think of, we joined this guild(a month ago!) with the clear goal of clearing naxx, if I was told that RLs endgame is the game itself and not the pinnacle of PVE, i would never join.


Id like to, once more, stress out that i dont hold this decision againts you, youre free to do as you wish. You dont answer to any of us.
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